From: Struan Donald Date: 20:55 on 22 Jan 2008 Subject: Thunderbird, how hard can it be? Short version: Thunderbird + IMAP + Exchange = hate. But you knew that already. Specifically in this case it's deleting messages. I'm in the happy situation of occasionally getting a big chunk of alerts where some process or other at $work throws its toys out the pram. This is fine, other than the clanking and whiring Thunderbird makes as it deals with downloading more than 3 messages at a time. The pain comes at the deleting stage. Long ago I learned the magic incantation of shift + delete to avoid the pain of watching Thunderbird wheeze as it moved things to the deleted messages folder. However it seems that even this does not save me. Now it frequently manages to lose the connection to Exchange in the process of deleting messages at which point I get to watch it start to download all the deleted messages again. After a short while it realises things are not as they should be and once again starts to delete them again. The entertainment of watching the message count frantically trying to keep up with this confusion doesn't really last. Struan
From: David Mackintosh
Date: 04:02 on 23 Jan 2008
Subject: Re: Thunderbird, how hard can it be?
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On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 08:55:52PM +0000, Struan Donald wrote:
> Short version: Thunderbird + IMAP + Exchange =3D hate.
It's been two hours -- I'm stunned that this thread hasn't been
drowned in a chorus ammending your complaint to "IMAP + Exchange =3D=3D hat=
e". =20
Or even "Exchange =3D=3D hate", but that's axiomatic^Wfor another thread.
What I love to hate about Exchange, now that it's delightful habit of
lying to IMAP clients[1] has been largely fixed, is it's delightful
habit of closing the IMAP channel if you happen to be reading the
index when a new message comes in.
Combine this fault with a postmaster bounce mailbox of 25K+ messages
at a busy site, and it's damn near impossible to get _anything_ done,
let alone delete old messages.
[1] Older versions of exchange -- pre-2000, I believe -- reported the
message size as it resided in the store to requesting clients.=20
However the joke was on the client, because the store was
compressed. So if your client stopped reading the message once
the advertised number of bytes passed by, you usually didn't get
the end of the message.
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From: Zach White Date: 04:11 on 23 Jan 2008 Subject: Re: Thunderbird, how hard can it be? On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 11:02:13PM -0500, David Mackintosh wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 08:55:52PM +0000, Struan Donald wrote: > > Short version: Thunderbird + IMAP + Exchange = hate. > > It's been two hours -- I'm stunned that this thread hasn't been > drowned in a chorus ammending your complaint to "IMAP + Exchange == hate". > > Or even "Exchange == hate", but that's axiomatic^Wfor another thread. I think it's just a hate overload. No matter how you slice it, all 3 of those are overflowing with hate on their own. Together they represent so much hate that the first people are just reentering low earth orbit, and should be back in front of their terminals in another 150 minutes or so. -Zach
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